Episode 34 – The Growth Whisperers
The Growth Whisperers is a weekly podcast hosted by Brad Giles and Kevin Lawrence two advisors to mid-market businesses, one Australian, one Canadian, who each work with CEOs and Leadership Teams across the world with a mission to build enduring, great companies. Each weekly episode covers interesting situations and questions from the world of strategic planning, leadership development, talent and hiring in high growth entrepreneurial companies where real results matter.
The importance of working on your team’s recovery right now in order to succeed in 2021
This week on The Growth Whisperers Kevin and Brad discuss the effects that 2020 and the pandemic have had on leaders and their teams, and the important work that leaders must do now to reset and recharge both themselves and their teams, in order to succeed in 2021.
Successful teams know they need to take the time to rejuvenate as do successful athletes, but sometimes it’s hard to make it happen. Brad and Kevin provide stories, examples and a simple process to help you and your team reset for 2021.
Brad Giles 00:13
Hey, welcome to the growth whispers where everything that we talk about is building enduring great companies, everything. That’s what we’re about building enduring great companies I’m Brad Giles. And as always, I’m joined today by my co-host, Kevin Lawrence. Kevin, how are you?
Kevin Lawrence 00:31
Hey, I’m doing pretty good today, Brad. It’s, um, it’s dark. It’s winter here in the north. But it’s actually a great day. You know, what I was sitting there doing some thinking about gratitude this morning. And, you know, one of the things I’m really grateful is that we get the chance to do this podcast every week and, and put our brains together about things that we think are most important or most relevant for people like us that are up to some substantial things in the world. So I’m actually I’m thrilled to be here. I look forward to this every week.
Brad Giles 01:02
Yeah, I said, Why? It’s good. It’s good. Well, it would be remiss of me not to mention that it’s 32 degrees Celsius here today. Oh. So I feel it’s appropriate to say that. But anyway, yeah, it’s I think things are good, warm days are starting up here. This is really just the beginning of it. So tell me what have we got on today’s podcast?
Kevin Lawrence 01:27
Well, today, we’re talking about this great opportunity and potentially need we have for recovery, and maybe even resilience, it’s been a crazy year. And I think a lot of people are a little more tired and worn out than they think. And so we’re going to be talking about how this is a great opportunity, probably a need for you and your team, to make sure you put a conscious effort into recovery and resilience so we can get ready for this really interesting, you’re going to be called 2021. That’s coming ahead of us.
Brad Giles 02:02
Yeah, well, it’s been a tough year. And by all accounts, it’s not getting any better immediately. Look, we’re in a tough, tough environment. We get back to the Stockdale paradox, right, we spoke about this in the very beginning of the I think that was our first episode, right? The very beginning. And that is, we’ve got to be able to sustain for the long term. We’re definitely in the middle of the dance and the hammer and dance concept at the moment. And what I’m so excited about today. What I’m so excited about in our discussions about today’s episode, is we’re taking some of your book entitled your oxygen mask first. And we’re taking a bit of my book entitled made to thrive and bringing them together in something that’s really, really important and timely right now. So that’s pretty cool. It sounds
Kevin Lawrence 02:52
like made to thrive with your oxygen mask first. I’m sure there’s a much better way to put it. Yeah, it’s, you know, we obviously have a lot of similar thoughts and our similar wavelength. But at the end of the day, this will be one of the craziest years of our life. And I’m sure we’ll be telling our grandchildren or great-grandchildren about this for years and decades to come. Like this was a wild year. But it isn’t over you. And one of the things we’re talking about before Brad is your metaphor, it’s like, it’s like we’ve been living with a pack of lions outside the door of our house. Yeah, and every morning we get up kind of in a panic or a jump wondering if they’ve come through the window. Or if they’re waiting outside of us for what happens to have snuck into our car or who knows what even we go into the bathroom in the morning. And we’re kind of wondering, just feel lurking ourselves to see if there’s a lion lurking, you know, and, they don’t realize as stressful as you but that’s kind of what we’ve been up to, it’s like, there is a lot more stress on the system and strain on the system than we are aware of, we’re just used to it. We’re used to Lyons being outside of the door, or all the doors right now. So I think it was these people we and our teams really need and deserve to really put some dedicated energy into recovery. And I think it’s super important and the challenge is that some people just go about their day. And some people will really focus on recovering. And those that don’t, I think they’re gonna pay a big price as we go into even next year. Because they carry this sort of resilience deficit with them. They’ll carry that this lower level of energy, and clarity, and even drive that they need sometimes to push through some of these obstacles. So we’re offering you some ideas to help you to be able to reset and really kick out the beginning of next year to be the best you can be.
Brad Giles 04:52
Yeah, yeah. Um, I, I wouldn’t just let’s get into it a bit deeper and I want to just quickly go back To that lion metaphor that you drew. So what we’re saying is the human body has evolved over time to release stress chemicals in the brain and the body when we’re under threat so that we can ultimately survive. Yes, out but we don’t live in the jungle. We live in the environment and so all
Kevin Lawrence 05:25
live in the intellectual jungle, not the physical jungle.
Brad Giles 05:30
Yeah, and so all through this year what’s happened is that we’ve undertaken we’ve experienced a lot of stress-inducing hormones and chemicals that have made everybody exceptionally tired now, we’re getting through we’re coping, and for some businesses is even meant that they’ve been growing and an exceptional right. But the point is, people right now as so that the date of recording the date of release of this podcast is about five or six weeks until Christmas, until the end of 2020. And what we’ve been through so many people are exhausted, they’re just exhausted, I had a meeting with a person this morning. And she said I didn’t realize how exhausted I was until I just had a week away in the country getting back this well yesterday. And she said it was phenomenal to just have the chance for the first time this year to be able to recover.
Kevin Lawrence 06:42
And that’s part of it is that people are just you got to go and do what you got to do. So, you know the going gets tough, the tough keep going. So people just keep doing their thing and can’t give them the chance to recover, relax, you know and, talking about it. I think you and I talked about this before but you know, I got completely burnt out and fried overall this both with some personal things in my world, and a huge amount of additional work on the work side during COVID plus an addition, that was the pivoting work to do deliver every service we do virtually and excellently. But then there was additional demand from clients and people needed help on stuff. So there’s a lot and I went to my doctor because I wasn’t feeling right my man naturopathy
Brad Giles 07:25
just before what we’ll just before you say that the thing that you didn’t factor in is there’s a pandemic. And yes, and this is the other this is what so many people aren’t concerned about there’s a pandemic, which is there’s a whole range of things that have been released in everybody. But what does it mean for me? Suddenly, I don’t travel suddenly. I don’t have all of the rituals I used to have suddenly, like is that does that mean it’s gonna affect me is my suddenly
Kevin Lawrence 07:54
I get in an elevator and I get anxious because there’s another human being in there with me? Oh, yes. Right. And for me, used to travel, you know, two or three weeks a month all around the world. And I got to go to sunny places recharge and have great interactions with my amazing clients and we’d have lots of soul-filling activities that no longer happen. So it’s there’s been a huge change. Go ahead, Brad, you got some additional thoughts Sir, please jump in.
Brad Giles 08:25
I want to get back to you doctor yet some personal stuff, the workload increased but the third element is that all of the additional chemicals, the anxiety you mentioned from going into a lift all of those things add up and created more challenges for you. That’s the third element. Then you went to your doctor.
Kevin Lawrence 08:49
Yeah, it is and which I recommend, you know, lots of people do if they’re not feeling right. But yeah, it wasn’t, you know, I know whether or not I had COVID I think there’s a decent chance I had an early on a march because I was travelling through the US speaking so and I had a lot of those symptoms in retrospect. But Neil and I went in and I just wasn’t feeling right. It wasn’t sleeping right. my appetite was weird. Everything was weird. And I hadn’t felt like that before. And I went and found out that uh, but my, the that my stress hormones were way out of whack, way out of whack. And so I’m on a whole regime now to, you know, natural regime, think of a naturopath to reset all of those and then and doing intermittent fasting to give my system a chance to recover. You know, and I’m noticing I am feeling noticeably better like I’m feeling excellent, more energy, more clarity, my body feels better, my mind feels better, my spirit feels better and you know and I’m and I slipped on some of my resilience rituals. So I’m back to activity or exercise in the morning back working out with a trainer. You know back doing my own workouts and doing My writing and planning in the morning because I’m getting up earlier, I get through COVID. I slipped and started staying up later and getting up later, which wipes out my prime time in the morning. So stress hormones, activities, and even nutrition. And we know everybody knows this stuff. Yeah, but sometimes you got to reset it and make some changes. And I in almost a little under three weeks, how dramatically better I feel is notable, Matt, like, it’s not so I feel. Yeah, again, if t is a funny word, also, I feel like my spirits sparkly again, I was writing this morning, and he’s amazing, one-liner start coming out again, it’s like, I’m getting back to being now I still have work to do. The point of it, if everyone is, is, you know, I teach resilience. I know resilience, I’m very good at it. And, and I have a ton of energy and all kinds of things that are gifts for times, I guess. But you know, I got hurt. And you know, in lots of the CEOs we talked to as well, so many of you listening right now are, and maybe you’ve recovered, but we need to really recover so we can get ahead of this thing. Because it’s gonna be around two, then probably around three, maybe around four, I don’t know, I’m ready for round 25. Like, whatever it takes this in my mind, if and it won’t, it won’t. But if this thing goes on for a decade, I’ll be good. Because I know what I need to do to play my best game and to adapt to it, which comes down to my own clarity. And I go back into results, which we’ll talk about later. But it’s, you know, body, mind, and spirit, if you dial those things in and you do the right things, and you get ahead of it. It’s easy, or, or at least you have the strength to handle it. But it’s still challenging.
Brad Giles 11:52
There will be a counterargument, which is Oh, but the vaccine is just around the corner, or it’s not that bad. Or, you know, what in Australia is an example we’re going into summer. And you know, like, we’ve we haven’t had many cases lately, like we I think we only had like 10 cases or something like that. But the point is, is that there is no certainty about what will happen. Um, and even if a vaccine is distributed, it’s not going to go everywhere. And it’s still gonna be
Kevin Lawrence 12:26
calculation before it would get to quote, normal people in Canada would probably be a year. First, it’s going to go to I don’t know who’s first. But what I know, second or third, or all the health care professionals that are taking care of everybody. Right. So yeah. So by the time, it trickles down to you and me, unless we find a system where we can pay for service and pay to get ahead of the line. a safe bet is here. Oh, and by the way, they say it’s 95% effective from the last that I heard. Okay, so does a 95% effective vaccine that might take a year to get through a country. Is that going to change the world quickly? I want to be optimistic. But yes, there’s all kinds of look at, there’s people doing anti-mask, you know, protests and stuff and saying that we shouldn’t have to do it like, hey, that’s your choice. And wherever country you’re in, you know, that’s just probably You’re right. You know, but no matter what, whether you believe it or not, and we’re not here to say that we’re just saying it is the environment. And, you know, a lot of countries haven’t seen a big economic impact that could be we don’t know, when we just want to be prepared for what,
Brad Giles 13:44
what I do know,
Kevin Lawrence 13:46
tell me what
Brad Giles 13:48
I know that 2021 is going to be tough.
Kevin Lawrence 13:52
Oh, yeah, that is the safest bet there is. And it doesn’t. And if you happen to be wrong, it’s a plan for the worst and hope for the best if you happen to be wrong, which is I agree with you that it will be challenging, but if you happen to be wrong, whoo, Let’s have a party. Like I’m probably be allowed to have two people or something. But you know, but odds are gonna be tough. If that is the most practical, prudent bet right now.
Brad Giles 14:21
So if you want to build an enduring great company, or you’re a leader in engineering, great company, and we know the best bet right now is that next year is going to be tough. It begs the question, how full is your tank of energy just right now? Like, is that right? That’s, that’s and therefore what do you need to do? to recharge that tank of energy might be at 20%, maybe at 30 40, 50, 70%? I don’t know. But you’ve got some level of energy through the fatigue and the chemicals and everything that’s happened this year. Next year is going to be tough. Therefore, how?
Kevin Lawrence 15:03
you know, when I said I was reading and I started to get these one-liners coming again, I just got another one. It’s not that exciting, but it’s right to the point 2021 is going to be tough. And you got to be tougher. Hey, I should run for president or something, right? That’s like, you know. But make it make yourself Great Again. But the thing is if it is going to be tough, we got to be stronger. That’s it, we got to be more resilient, we got an extra. If we’re doing a long journey, and there are no gas stations along the way, we got to have extra gas in the back, we got extra gas in the tank, so so being more resilient is the safest bet you can have in Heck, it’s about taking care of yourself anyways. So you know, if you haven’t booked some days off, you know, if your company has an opportunity to have a bit of downtime over the holidays, or you know, lots of our clients are busy, right up until you know, the 25th or 26th. And then some of them get a gap. But if there is a gap, use it. Right? Find a way to leverage it and what is it you need to do to recover for you like what’s if you were to take a personal day personal being you just you not about your family or your friends or other things? Like what are you going to do for a personal day? You know, and just have some time for whatever, whatever it is you need to do. And I don’t know, you know, some people might be cleaning out their garage or organizing stuff, I don’t know, like everyone, there’s the old Marie Kondo book, which is, which is about cleaning out your closets and organizing your drawers right? Like maybe that’s what you need to do. Maybe you need to go have some fun, some fun, and connect with friends. I don’t know. But just like, I’d encourage everyone to have me day, you know, and find a time that’s convenient for your family. But what can you do? And maybe it’s with your family? But what do you got to do to that? So
Brad Giles 17:15
Imagine that you’re, as you look around your office, because first of all is due right, you’ve got to come back recharged. I would say in Australia, typically now every industry is different, every job is different, I get that. But typically, the average person has one, maybe two weeks off over the, let’s say the Christmas New Year break, it’s probably more than norm than it is abnormal. A lot of industries, let’s say perhaps shut down, like you’re ringing up and you won’t be able to get someone that they’re not coming back till the 10th or something like that. So it does depend on the country. And there are different religious affiliations with Christmas and countries. Yeah. But if we can think beyond that, it’s still a new year. And if you look around your team, first of all, assess yourself and think we’ll have empty is my tank, and then think, look around the office and imagine that each person has above their head, like a fuel gauge, like on the car and think how empty is that tank? But then the job to be done is how can I get everybody to come back in January, let’s say the goal being by the 14th of January, we want everybody to has had as full a tank as possible. And then what is your job as a leader in doing that? It is so important to understand that your job is a part of that. Looking around, assessing Where is each person’s fuel level? And then what do you need to do to get that out too? To get out? Because there are things that you can do?
Kevin Lawrence 18:54
Yeah, that’s a great way to look at it. Because you know, for a lot of people that we work directly with, we talk about these things all the time, and they’re decent at it. So what do you got to do to top up your tank? And if you’re running at the half, what do you got to do to get a full but then, but then really thinking about your people and their people? You know, and that’s a great way to look at it, Brad, I love it, you know, and I would think about it in terms of an oxygen tank, right? You know, from putting your oxygen mask on first. If people were gonna rely on that, you know, how full is that? How long can they go? How long can they last? Great, great thinking. Yeah, and the question is, what is this like right now? Like, like for you? What do you Where do you think your tanks are right now?
Brad Giles 19:40
I would say I had a few days off in October. So I would have to say it’d be 60% maybe, like you know, you know, knowing that I’m going to have some time off over Christmas. I’m okay with it being a bit lower. Normally you might be 65 Almost 70% at this time of year, I’d think certainly last year was worse. But yeah, I’d say it’d be about 60% of the guests but I am pretty. I’m I try to look after my resilience rituals pretty well. Yeah,
Kevin Lawrence 20:18
I got down to like, 30, 40 I was depleted. I’m, as I was listening to you, I think I’m 75 or 80 right now. Now, that’s what I believe I could be wrong. You know, once you get more, you realize you had less sometimes, but I feel quite good. Um, that’s it, let’s just say it’s in this 70 to 80 range, I’ve got some time off over the holidays, according to a cou ofple weeks off. And I got a bunch of fun things planned that I know will rebuild my resilience. Like normally in the summer, we get out and go boating, and I go motorcycling, and we go car racing and kart racing and all with friends. And it really fills my tanks. But I’ve been focused on the seriously last few weeks, like even, you know, I’ve got a great friend of mine lives locally, there’s like, three blocks away. And you know, we got out for like an hour and a half walk on Saturday morning, we did the same last weekend. So it’s time with a buddy, you know, walking, had some good time with my kids over the weekend. So I’m actually like, I’m way better than I was. And I want to top it up some more. And usually, for me, one of the indicators is my creativity. Like I’m feeling my creative mind. Like, that’s like, when I’m worn down, there’s not enough to feel the creativity and, you know, the creativity comes in terms of planning cool activities to do. And it shows up in my writing and communication as well. Both work and otherwise. So yeah, so and but I’ve been working damn hard at it. So I should be at that point. And, and I know I need to do more.
Brad Giles 21:55
So it’s an arbitrary measure. It’s an arbitrary number, but like you’re not 10% and you’re not 99% and the person who’s listening who may have also done that and thought, you know, on the dad 40% or 45%, like as a leader thinking about that for yourself looking around your team and thinking where do I think those people are is really the first step. But then what do I need to do about it? Right? And I’m not saying you need to go and spend a huge amount of money at all on your team. But the messaging is quite important. The things that you communicate, and that’s why it’s timely right now. Because people are starting to think about that Christmas period. What are they going to do? How much do they need to work? They’ve got an obligation maybe they’ve just saved the business, whatever it might be.
Kevin Lawrence 22:46
Yeah, or they might have lost the business like who knows what it is? Yeah. And don’t forget other crazy things have happened during these times. You know, deaths and families there’s been some other crazy traumatic stuff so so I think the first thing is, is that what are your plans for you and your team just just just to reset and to recover? Right? And just like elite athletes, you know, lead athletes have peak training periods, then add recovery periods, they cannot go full throttle all year round. Now. Maybe they just they get some extra special supplements or something but generally, they cannot continue they have peak and rest periods peak and rest periods. There’s this thing as I mentioned before, a podcast with Mike Tyson. And he talks about the mental and physical training he does to compete by the way I think he’s fighting this month. If he is I want to make sure I see it. He’s coming back in his 50s. But but but he talks about how he builds up and it’s not sustainable. So if you get yourself into a freakish mindset and and and and, and physical space. So yeah, just knowing what is your plan now that you’ve we’ve all peaked whether you want to or not in your recovery period if you’re already doing it, congratulations. But the second thing is to really just acknowledge and honor the fact is that you are likely more stressed than you think, again, like the lions outside that we just got you and
Brad Giles 24:07
you don’t know it.
Kevin Lawrence 24:08
You just don’t know what your body does. Because you’re you know, if your body’s doing some funny things, which I know mine was, um, no, it’s another thing just to realize and to step back and look at step back and look at this year, it was freakin crazy. Yeah, like, I look at the stuff it was insane. Like my world was changed upside down and many others and, and for people, for people to travel, they don’t travel, you know, for people to like to socialize while you’re told you can’t socialize in a lot of places. You know, it’s learning it’s wild. So a lot of people’s things they did to feel good and to feel resilient. Like you know, we’ve had to master the art. It was my parents 56th wedding anniversary. The day before yesterday. I had I grabbed a bottle of champagne. I congratulate one and I Go out the window of their place. And you know, give them a bottle of champagne I’m not going in the house, you know, not doing a lot of the stuff that you would normally do, because you can’t, ya know, so there’s been an impact on just stress and change, anxiety. You know, all you can’t
Brad Giles 25:20
trust how you feel, is what we’re saying here. Exactly. And you’re probably more stressed out and there’s like a debt, like a sleep debt that you have incurred throughout this year, and that your team has incurred that you need to manage if you’re going to successfully come back and deal with what you’re facing in 2021. Yes, and so then,
Kevin Lawrence 25:50
yeah. And you got to find a way to appreciate it and see, somehow this is the best thing that ever happened to us and how it’s good for us so we can honor it and take it as energy versus taking it as baggage. And that’s part of the heart we want to be there could be a victim mindset, whoa, this is bad. Oh, this is not right. This is not for you Good. Those are all possible stories. But they give you you know when you find a meaning for the stress, and you see that it’s good for you, you tend to have positive benefits rather than negative effects. So let’s go. The third thing. bringing home Brad,
Brad Giles 26:27
you are good to go. I think 2021 is not likely to be a walk in the park. Look, we touched on that. Now, we just don’t know. But it’s not going to work. The only thing we know is that it’s not going to be easy. And, and early on for a lot of the times on this podcast, we’ve spoken about the hammer and the dance. What we’re seeing at the moment is in Australia, the case numbers are dropping in North America. And let’s just say the whole northern hemisphere really, because of the impending winter cases and a whole range of the cases of rising. So this is the dance the hammer is squash it early, and then try to squash the outbreaks as they occur. Some countries are better at that some are worse, I’m not really concerned about the politics of all of that other than to say, this is the dance this increase, things go up, things go down. It’s a very challenging and taxing environment. We don’t know how long it will go for. But we know one thing that 2021 will be very challenging, and you’ve got to recharge and keep ahead of it. If you can just kind of compile yourself compose yourself. How can we get everybody? How can we be a successful team in 2021? The whole that is all completely predicated by everybody coming back with a full tank or as a full tank as you can.
Kevin Lawrence 28:04
100% and it kind of takes us into a fourth point is that we just and we want to go into it loaded up stocked up you know how a lot of part of the world people started stockpiling toilet paper for some weird reason. That seemed to be a high priority resource. I bet you could have sold it for an amazing profit. I’m sure some people did. But it’s like worried
Brad Giles 28:25
about the food. I’m not worried about the food. I’m just worried about one thing. I don’t want to have to not use toilet paper.
Kevin Lawrence 28:34
Yeah. Which I mean, there is some logic to it, but probably more just herd mentality. The herd mentality. Yep, stocked up, but whatever, hey, I now have more on hand than I normally would. And I’ve got other stuff as a backup. But yeah, it got a little crazy. So so but it’s better to be stocked up. If we’re going to go to battle, it’s kind of helpful to have more guns and ammo and soldiers than you need. That’s a great way to go into it. If you’re going into a battle in the company, it’s better to have more cash and access to resources than you need. You know, if you’re in a business with crazy swings in supply, you’re gonna hold demand or hold demands or hold or hold inventory. And so we as a how do you be over resourced, extra energized before we go into this not coming out on your hind foot, but coming out ready to go because there are massive business opportunities. Or as
Brad Giles 29:34
so what you’re really saying is don’t bring a knife to a gunfight or as one of my fellow countrymen said, That’s not a knife. This is a knife. Sorry. Like you’ve got to be prepared. You want
Kevin Lawrence 29:52
to bring a serious automatic rifle to a knife fight if you can. Right. That’s competition. You want to come with more resources, more power to Be able to win. That was crocodile dun d? Is it? Oh, is it okay?
Brad Giles 30:05
Yeah, it’s okay. I was the only one that got that you were waiting
Kevin Lawrence 30:10
I’m sure somebody else would have I’m a little slow on those things. So
Brad Giles 30:13
Kevin Lawrence 30:14
is that if you pull out a massive knife, then that’s
Brad Giles 30:19
that’s it. That’s the Australian that you know what Australians most famous for it. He was in New York and in the movie, and he, you know, some gang members come up to him with a little pocket knife. And he just looks at them with a funny look and brings out this knife the size of his arm and says that’s not a knife, and then they run away. So the principle is there like we’ve got to be prepared for 2021. We’ve got to insane. Like, yes. And what if that’s the only competitive advantage that you’ve got? I think it is going in? Yeah, I
Kevin Lawrence 30:51
look at the companies that we work with that have done exceptionally well. It’s because they’ve had amazing strong teams of high performers. And high performers by nature will thrive during these situations. And they will deplete themselves and often need a bigger recovery than a normal person because they push themselves too hard. So yes, I agree that it has been the greatest competitive advantage for lots of people we work with.
Brad Giles 31:17
And look now what if your competitors don’t treat it with the same level of respect? And they don’t try to recharge their teams in the way that we’re talking about? Maybe there are?
Kevin Lawrence 31:31
Yeah, perfect. The Lions outside the door needs something to eat.
Brad Giles 31:39
And your competitors are a great opportunity for that.
Kevin Lawrence 31:43
So, you know, when we look at this, and how do you get stronger its body, mind and spirit, which is the resilience rituals chapter in my book, your oxygen mask first. It’s what do you do for your mind? To be clear, and grounded and centered and focused on what matters? What do you do for your body to be strong and have lots of energy and physical resilience and what to do for your spirit to be inspired, like, you know, in the word spirit, so you feel good. And, you know, there’s like sparkles coming out of you when you talk and I’m exaggerating a bit, but you just, you’ve got great energy and you’re inspired and you kind of want to get at it. got can you get entered? I’m sorry, I can only so for my, it’s soon again, in my book, there’s a thing called the resilience rituals grid, where you plan out your body, mind and spirit, what you do, when you do it, and how often you do it. And so for me, for my body, it’s activity exercise in the morning, which like it’s some sort of whether it’s treadmill bike or whatever it is, but working out with a trainer or where I’m sweating fairly good at least a couple times a week, but working out some activity five times a week to start today. That’s big for my body and stretching because I need to my body loves me when I stretch it, I need them and things are getting tighter. For my mind, it’s writing in a journal writing and just letting my thoughts flow and whether I read an article or I just write for sanity is fine. And then updating my to do list. Updating my to-do list helps me to get focused and organized because there’s always too much to do. And then spirit I got a whole list. But it’s like connecting with friends. Right? And when you and I get to do this podcast, it’s a piece of that. And it can be my kid when my friends I go do activities with like, we’re gonna go you know Snow biking this a cross between dirt biking and snowmobiling. We’re gonna go snow biking next weekend. Getting out for a walk with my other buddy I did on Saturday morning. You know, my son and I are getting out and going for a drive. Listening to music. I mean, I love live music, I can’t do that anymore. listening to audiobooks like so. Next weekend, time with my kids and friends locally is awesome. But next weekend, I get to get in my car, drive up into the mountains for four or five hours. listening to audiobooks. While I do that, that is bliss for me. And then we get to go play on these snow bikes and most people like I’ve been driving back and forth over a couple of days. The plan is still biking in the mountains, laughing our butts off getting stuck having a great time, hang, out and then drive back. listen to audiobooks like that is a blissful 24 to 40 probably 48-hour period. What will it’ll be great for my grade for everything but I will be so rejuvenated. I have tons of friends where I’m going we’re going to have a great time and the time by myself listening to audiobooks, which is you know, listening to another friend who happens to be a master at a topic. I mean, metaphorically a friend. So that’s, you there are there’s so many things but you know, driving is a piece for me. There are all these things that, you know, we know what they are, you know, one executive I work with, you know, his, mind slash spirit, he calls making it the grass green. At the end of the day, he lives in a very hot climate and actually lives in India. And he just likes to water the grass and see how green he can make the grass. It’s kind of like his therapy. So I gave you a big list, but generally is one or two things in each category that you’ve done in the past and you know, make a difference. The only one that people haven’t sometimes done in the past is the mental piece, right? Things like meditation, writing, or gratitude practice are things that some people haven’t had to do yet. Although COVID is probably a good catalyst for those things.
Brad Giles 35:47
Yeah, That’s awesome. And so we’ve got to think about if that is the style of recovery, and resilience-building and building of those rituals, how can we apply that to this specific period of time, and get our team gets out teams to, to do the right thing. And the right thing is to come back with a full tank to come back energized, and ready for work, but to be mindful and conscious about it going into that starting now. And that really is where it comes back. After we’ve got that context from you is where it comes back to my book may have to thrive, and in particular, which is about the five roles of a CTO, and in particular, the second role, which is ambassador, and that is conch being a conscious ambassador for the customers, for the employees, for the stakeholders, and being the person who will guide the messaging as well. And so people respect what you inspect. So if you say nothing and just fall into the Christmas break, the board might think, well, I’ve got to do a bit of work, or I’ve got to catch up or on the other side, if you say now is the time that everyone on our team needs to think about? How are we going to come back fully recharged as a team, how are we going to start on the 10th of January, whatever it is with a full tank? People will fall behind that messaging, people will understand it if you do it correctly, and respect it. And we can it’s like the most important thing that we can do as leaders now.
Kevin Lawrence 37:42
Yeah, and people need role models and permission to do that. And as a leader, and that’s why I love that part of your book, Brad as leaders, we are that person. Now, we’re putting it in your mind. So you can put it in the minds, your people, but people need that. And it’s critical that the Ambassador role is so important. That’s what culture is some cultures are focused on taking care of people more than and that would take us to our point number five as well, right as it’s Who? Who else do you need to get the support, the resources, the training, the whatever it happens to be for both you and your team to thrive more in 2021 and to be able to recover more as we go into 2021? So think about it, what else might you benefit from, I’ve done a ton of keynotes on stress and resilience, because that’s in my book, to organizations. And it really gives people an eye-opener because it gets into mental health and stuff. But maybe your company needs that. Maybe your company needs stuff on time management. Or maybe your company needs someone taking time off. Or maybe you need an expert to help figure out how you can get your people to take more holidays. Maybe you need to optimize your meetings. So you have fewer meetings and more effective meetings. So people don’t have to work all hours of the day. Like I don’t know what it is. But there’s going to be a who, or some sort of an expert or a been there done that person that can really help you with this. And sometimes we get too focused on trying to do it internally. For example, you know, for one of the CEOs I work with, it’s like his challenge was he wasn’t doing his workouts like great. In the end, He’s like, all get How about getting a trainer. If he has someone else, he’s externally accountable for the workouts, they might be more likely to happen. So the who is usually the easy way or the best way to help some of these things happen versus trying to figure out how to do it yourself.
Brad Giles 39:42
Yeah, who is the person that can help either you or you and your team or any of your team members to fully reset to fully charge up that tank. Everybody’s different. Everyone draws things in different ways. I said too, I said to my wife only last night, how about if we have a barbecue? That’d be really good. And I knew that subconsciously that the barbecue is something that is one of the rituals that I need to, to to be creative into, to do something that isn’t to do with building enduring great businesses. Yes, I can reset, because everything else is. And she didn’t necessarily totally get the depth of the concert.
Kevin Lawrence 40:30
because it’s not what it needs. Yeah, but I was something. Yeah, I was really insistent. I, of course, because you know, what you need. And we all need different things. And that’s cool. In the perfect world with resilience, which is we teach you to make a list called mine and yours, hey, here’s my list, Hey, honey, what’s yours? Let’s find a way to make them both happen. So it doesn’t feel like a selfish pool. You’re both figuring out what you need to be your best. And it’s a beautiful thing.
Brad Giles 40:58
And that’s a really important point, I love that you brought that up. Because the other thing for leaders within an organization, male or female is your partner as well. Because if you’re fully recharged, and your partner’s at 20%, of a thought fuel tank, like that’s going to have an impact on yours. So you’ve got a thing and it’s not going to be positive,
Kevin Lawrence 41:19
and they’re going to be in a lot of pain anyway. Yeah.
Brad Giles 41:24
So think about your family as well. And I don’t know what to what degree to think about your team’s families. But maybe that becomes a part of your messaging. So it’s about
Kevin Lawrence 41:40
messaging is thinking about yourself and your family. So when you’re talking to your teams, what do you need to do for yourself? And then what do you need to do for your family to help them or at least open a door or be a catalyst for them and their resilience and well being? You can’t there’s a saying you can lead a horse to water you can’t make them drink, but at least to get the conversation on the table and make it possible or open for them?
Brad Giles 42:05
Kevin Lawrence 42:08
Hey, this is a lot of fun, Brad, you know, great topic. And it’s very important because, you know, we are sometimes so focused on what we’re doing for other people. And I guess I’m talking about myself and yourself and lots of the great leaders listening, that we forget that we need a little extra help ourselves to, especially this year, and we deserve it. We have busted our butts, doing our best work that we are capable of and we’ve grown and learned and we deserve a rest. We need a rest we need some time to cool off, get some stuff resorted, and get yourself ready to go for the next year. So thank you guys for listening and gals for listening. This has been the growth whispers with Brad the amazing Brad Giles, and myself, Kevin Lawrence. For the video version, go to YouTube and go search for the growth whispers and for Brad evolution. partners.com.au And for me, Lawrenceandco.com. Have an awesome week. take great care of yourself and your teams.